2006 and beyond National Indoors

[bigfella]

I believe that the 2006 National Indoors are to become a "postal" tournament doing away with the centralised concept that has operated up until now.

Many competitors that I spoke to in Adelaide expressed their disappointment that a single venue wont be used next year and that the character of the indoors will be lost.

Also expressed was the concern over the ability of state RGB's to ensure that the conditions at each venue would be comparable eg lighting.. how do you make sure that each RGB is able to ensure that the lighting is no better or worse than in other venues. There are other variables that also raised some concern ie some RGB's shooting in comfortable 20c + temps and others shooting in 10c, some shooting in strammit and others shooting in soft butts.

These questions raise issues that AA and the RGB's must solve if the 2006 National Indoors are going to be contested on an equal footing by all competitors.

[James Park]

I don't think it is necessary to solve them at all.
Lighting: there is no need for it "to be equal". Local organising committees should do their best. If the archers are not happy with that then they should not complain but do something about it.
Temperature: same as above.
That is: if some try harder than others then they should get the benefit.

I agree that the character of the event will be quite different. Would be nice to see 500 entrants.

I think we should avoid calling it a "postal event", because it is not that.

[AFJAMES]

Lets not be negative about going in a different direction.
I'm sure the venues will be adequate for the tournament, and don't worry about us in Canberra, we hire some big gas heaters so we don't freeze too much.
What archery needs is participation to survive.
What a great way for the local archers to enter a national sanctioned event with out the stress of going too far out of their comfort zones. Who knows maybe after shooting this and seeing its not such a big deal, they might actually go out of their way to enter some other tournaments.
Look at the money they will save in travelling to their local RGB venue to shoot it, we could see more families shooting. Wouldn't that be great?

[2Dogs]

I like the idea.

The indoor nats never got the quality of shooters together that the outdoor does. This way we hopfully will end up with an Indoor Nats with a large top quality field.

Besides it's been held this way in the USA for years.

Provided every State makes it say their "State" title as well as the National event, then it will certainly put some pressure on you. So long as the State doesn't put on some mickey mouse indoor one weekend.

It would also be important to hold the event on the same weekend in every State. That will be the hard part.

Be great to get home and look on the net and see the results.

[New Tricks]

'Mail Matches' are crap. I have shot many and the scores shot by yourself and away from the big competition are often much higher than you would side by side when you see 10s thudding in right next to you (in my case).


I won a comp for $2000 when they released some new archery mag here in Oz and they had a mail match 18m indoor and I shot the whle thing solo with a guy as scorer. Additionally I shot the IFAA mail match the same year and came 3rd in the whole world with 55+ Xs each round but then got owned by Paul Malynn at the SQAS indoor a month later with some **** mid/low 290s for the FITA 1/2.

[Clare Barnes]

I like the idea of it too. And those who I have heard complain that they won't be able to combine the event with a holiday as usual, there is nothing to stop you choosing to go and shoot it in another state anyway!

Just think - no having to stand around while umpteen medals are presented for all those divisons of one person! :D

[2Dogs]

Agree mail matches are crap.

However, if you are shooting the SQAS State Indoor you get the atmosphere and the joy of coming 4th in front of your peers. :D

Only Diff is when you get home you can see how you went on the National Front.

If the National event is just going to be some Indoor at the Town hall in whoop whoop, then I agree it just won't be the same.

Either Way New Tricks comes last :D

[Clare Barnes]

I believe that the 2006 National Indoors are to become a "postal" tournament doing away with the centralised concept that has operated up until now.

Also remember that the proposal has been accepted on a trial basis - so SQAS can still offer to run the Indoor Nationals from 2007 onwards. :P

When countries as large as the USA and as small as NZ manage to sucessfully run their indoor events this way is seems something well worth trying before bashing the idea. And not having half the competitors from the state in which the event is being held will also be nice to see.

[New Tricks]

I feel as long as a national title is on the line, people should be side by side. How is the National indoo team picked these days? Is it from the Nats or from qualifiers?(I really don't know).

[frommy]

I like the concept of the idea. The numbers of competitors would be huge with the travelling cost being removed.

I agree with James that if a venue in one State is not up to scratch, then that is up to the society members of that State to kick-start the RGB to do better.

With good venues being hard to come by though, timing every State for the same weekend could be a potential problem?

Brian

[Flame]

And not having half the competitors from the state in which the event is being held will also be nice to see.

Now you will have all the people from the same state shooting :D

[Eberbachl]

I like the idea, I'd be shooting it for sure :D

[mrlogan]

I also think it is a great idea.

It might pull some of the members who shoot good but do not travel to comps.

I don't care if its called a postal, just shooting it will make people feel like they are competing in something big.

mrlogan

[gt]

It's true that the US indoor has been run this way for a while. It's true that this allows more shooters who wouldn't travel to a centralised tournament to participate. It's also true that it much nicer to shoot at some of the indoor venues than at others.

However this isn't true in my experience...

'Mail Matches' are crap. I have shot many and the scores shot by yourself and away from the big competition are often much higher than you would side by side when you see 10s thudding in right next to you (in my case).


Speaking personally I ALWAYS score higher (not neccessarily WELL, but higher) when squadded with, say, Butch Johnson, Joe McGlyn or Vic Wunderle, than with the 1.3 meter tall, three-eyed shallow-gene-pool mutants-who-get-offended-when-you-nicely-ask-them-not-to-touch-the-target-before-scoring, which seem to be commonly found in Idaho or Utah :lol:

[Clare Barnes]

I feel as long as a national title is on the line, people should be side by side. How is the National indoo team picked these days? Is it from the Nats or from qualifiers?(I really don't know).

The AUS team for the Indoor Worlds is a "pay your own way" event, so you shoot the MQS and nominate, and there is usually no shoot off as very few people choose to spend their own money to attend! I'm not aware of the Indoor Nationals being used to pick a team for the last 8 years at least...

Speaking personally I ALWAYS score higher (not neccessarily WELL, but higher) when squadded with, say, Butch Johnson, Joe McGlyn or Vic Wunderle, than with the 1.3 meter tall, three-eyed shallow-gene-pool mutants-who-get-offended-when-you-nicely-ask-them-not-to-touch-the-target-before-scoring, which seem to be commonly found in Idaho or Utah :lol:

:rofl: I can think of a few places over here you should avoid too then...

[Flame]

:rofl: I can think of a few places over here you should avoid too then...

:rofl:

Ipswich :D

[2Dogs]

Hey!....I come from there :D

Where else can you shoot with your Wife & Sister together..............as in the same person :D:D

Da Da Daaaannnnnng!

Hence I got out and moved to an even smaller yet more stable gene pool :D

[Freeman]

This new trial indoor national is going to be a great thing for archery....as it invites all archers of different shooting levels who might never travel to compete, to actually compete against the best archers in Australia. Im sure with internet also that results could be posted on what ever site from each state after each 30 arrows to add to the feel of the event and put preasure on all archers.

[Nikki-ie]

It will allow more people to enter and therefore it will more likely establish a true national champion. less expence to enter. But its not going to be fun anymore! The greatness of the nationals is the whole bragging concept.

[Eberbachl]

This new trial indoor national is going to be a great thing for archery....as it invites all archers of different shooting levels who might never travel to compete, to actually compete against the best archers in Australia. Im sure with internet also that results could be posted on what ever site from each state after each 30 arrows to add to the feel of the event and put preasure on all archers.

I agree Clint.

I don't see that there would be any lack of pressure...I guess some atmosphere might be missing, but the event could still be run very effectively.

Tournament or not, I reckon with indoor it's the pressure I put on myself that makes the round a tough one ;) I can still choke with no-one shooting beside me! :rofl:

Traveling interstate for the National indoor isn't something I'm likely to be able to fit in, but I'll certainly participate in this format.

:bday:

[David Rowson]

Has anyone determine the proposed weekend? This might help RGB's to build their tournament calenders around this event, and give it a fair chance.

Also, with a little bit of coordination from Archery Australia this could be the biggest National Indoor ever.

[Kuru]

Cool idea, finally Victoria will not be the only state to shoot the soft indoor round :)

[Eberbachl]

Cool idea, finally Victoria will not be the only state to shoot the soft indoor round :)

How many 300's have you shot on the soft indoor round lately Kuru?

That round is far from soft - I reckon it's a bigger pressure round than FITA indoor, when you get to the 9th end and you haven't shot a 9 yet, let me tell you - the pressure's on! :D

In contrast, I don't like shooting 9's on a FITA indoor round, but you can get away with a couple and still remain competitive, there's less pressure in that round IMHO.

But, anyway - now back to the topic at hand :P

[Barracuda]

Excuse my ignorance but can somebody enlighten me on how medals are won at the World Indoors? Do they revolve around an accumulative score like a FITA or does it involve matchplay?

[2Dogs]

Ranking round, then matchplay.

[ozther]

speaking of Indoor nationals, I tried to post this in the 2005 nats page but it's locked, what length stabilizer is Zoran using...

http://members.dodo.com.au/~ozther/indoor_2005.jpg

I believe it's (left to right) Leigh Cornish, Zoran, Marcus, 2dogs, bigfella...... all got very similar stances :D

[Marcus]

But I'm the only one with all my hair! :lol:

[Eberbachl]

Very good point about the stances, they are all very similar.

;)

[Shirt]

Something a bit longer than the ATA of a drawn Apex :D

So either a 41" or 45" Beiter. (Unless he's an awkward sod and cut one to a particular length to fit in a case. :lol: )

[Colin]

If this is to happen in 2006, we should of had the date by now.

[Clare Barnes]

Weekend of July 15/16 for all but 1 RGB I gather.

[unclepete]

July 15th & 16th according to the ArcheryNSW website (http://www.archerynsw.com/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_month&year=2006&month=07&day=15&Itemid=79)

[unclepete]

Dammit, Clare. You could let me win just one... :cry:

[Flame]

Weekend of July 15/16 for all but 1 RGB I gather.

and the other RGB ?

[Clare Barnes]

NQ has to run it the weekend before that.

[Flame]

:roll:

[Marcus]

NQ has to run it the weekend before that.NQ has no other way around it (they are not being difficult) and as it is around 15 archers we are better being inclusive and doing what we can for them.

[New Tricks]

:o




http://users.bigpond.net.au/plazbot/choke.jpg



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[2Dogs]

:fist:

Oh goody, in my clean up of the shed I found results going beack to 1985.

I think I will post up the 2Dogs flogs Roid Tour.......from the circa 1993-94 period......even had one SQAS indoor where I got you by a point :D:D

...I notice you disappeared after that :rofl:

[New Tricks]

The only thing you flog is my butt with your tongue. I felt sorry for you and had to build your self esteem for the long term plan I had in place. stand by to stand by for some shooting displays*.


*this in no way constitutes any actual victory other than the victory of ePenis size.

[bigfella]

But I'm the only one with all my hair! :lol:

You haven't been butting your head up against a brick wall long enough, Marcus :D

[Eberbachl]

The only thing you flog is my butt with your tongue. I felt sorry for you and had to build your self esteem for the long term plan I had in place. stand by to stand by for some shooting displays*.


*this in no way constitutes any actual victory other than the victory of ePenis size.

You let 2Dogs flog your butt with his tongue?

:o

I worry about you Northerners!

:rofl: