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    Landmark products

    Talking about Product Of The Year prompted me to think: "What are the really key innovations our sport has seen over the past 50 years?". That is: which new products have made a key difference to archery? (And when?)

    To kick it off, consider these few:
    - the clicker (mid 1960's)
    - the stabiliser (late 1960's)
    - X7's (about 1970)

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    crikey Jim you are drawing a long bow going back 50 years, To pick just a few i would have to say
    doug eastons development of the alloy arrow
    allens invention of the compounding system
    fred bears development of massed produced limb tecnology
    the sight
    the release modern bowstring materials(right up there)
    and of course the one cam system

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    How about Mel Stanislawski's release aids. First ever "perfect" at Vegas attests to their instant impact.

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    hhmmm, I won't go back as far as you old guys, but

    All fast flight cable systems (first released by Hoyt)
    The centre flight riser (developed by PSE)
    Carbon arrows (Beman)
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    Redback Strings

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    OK, how about:

    Metal risers for recurve bows with adjustable tillering.
    Modular cams
    And one I really like : Kurly Vanes. Don't last as long as standard fletchings, but better groups. (In my case, anyway)

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    For recurves (roughly in order), most significant score-improving or design technology:
    Fiberglass laminated bow limbs
    Plastic vanes (Max Hamilton)
    Stick-on arrow rests to go with the vanes
    Stabilizers
    Clickers
    Plunger button (Vic Berger)
    Shelf tabs
    V-bars
    Kevlar/Fastflite
    Spin Wing vanes (R.Carella)
    Carbon arrows (Beman)
    ACE arrows
    Adjustable tiller bows
    Machined riser bows

    For compounds:
    Compound bow principle
    release
    mechanical release
    adjustable draw weight
    peep sight
    scope
    launcher type rest
    2-wheel bow
    faster cams
    AIM synthetic system
    1-cam
    draw length modules
    drop-away rests
    D loop
    oh, this could go on too long, forget it....

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    Does anybody know when the peep sight was invented?
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    While I don't have the book any more, I recall reading in "Archery" by R.P.Elmer, written about 1930, about a string sight that clamped onto the string and could be slid up and down. You looked through it at the point of the arrow for aiming. So the peep sight has been around at least that long.

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    [All fast flight cable systems (first released by Hoyt)
    Marcus
    Yes Hoyt was the first to market the fast flight system but they were not the first bow to use fast flight system.
    That was done by Ron Morritt about 5 years before Hoyt started to market it.[/quote]
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    All Flight Flight System

    Marcus, I believe you are correct concerning Hoyt being the first to RELEASE the "All Fast Flight Cable System"
    However, they were NOT the first to have an "All Fast Flight Cable System" nor were they the first to start using Fast Flight material
    on the Compound bow.
    Prior to the "All Fast Flight Cable System", the compound companies would NOT honor their compounds if the owner was using Fast
    Flight materials for the strings.
    I purchased my first materials from Shig Honda and made strings
    for my MORRET Forward Handle compound Bow.
    After a year (approximately) I learned of the manufactors policy
    "not to honor" their bows using Fast Flight.
    I mentioned this to Ron Morrett whereas he told me to keep using it on his bows, NO PROBLEM.
    At the following VEGAS TOURNAMENT, I spoke to BOB DESTON who was with Brownell at that time discussing the Fast Flight Material at their booth.
    The Hoyt Easton booth was around the corner from Brownell and Joe Johnson was working it.
    Whether Joe overheard me talking to Bob or if Bob just relayed the story of my using Fast Flight on the MORRETT Compound, I will never know.
    I DO KNOW however, that RON MORRETT had an "ALL FAST FLIGHT" bow in my hands for over six months prior to my discussion with BOB DESTON.
    Hoyt released their "ALL FAST FLIGHT BOW" to the public at the Next VEGAS TOURNAMENT, a year after my discussion with BOB DESTON.
    I still have in my possession, the VERY FIRST ALL FAST FLIGHT SYSTEM
    and the same string and cables that were originally put together.
    I do believe, if you were to contact BOB DESTON (now with BCY) Bob will acknowledge our conversation.
    Also, in my opinion, and I have the right to have one, BCY is the VERY BEST BOWSTRING MATERIAL MONEY CAN BUY.
    I am rather new at this "Archery" for I have only been at it for sixty (65) years and sometimes I forget the delicate points HOWEVER NOT in this case.
    Rudy
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    While I have no problems with Hoyt not being the first to use it, they were the first ones to bring it mainstream and push it hard as a major manufacturer. It is often the case that these things are tried first by others but only reach the big time when someone like Hoyt jumps on and brings it out. For us over here in Aus it would have been almost impossible for us to go Fast flight had it not been for Hoytsrelease of Fast flight.
    I'm more than happy to take your word for it Rudy and welcome that kind of information. One of the things I love about archery is that ot's progress is often made not by large companies with R&D budgets, but rather those looking for a better way.
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    Fast Flight Materials

    Marcus,
    No Sweat "mate". I definitely understand.
    At the World Field Archery Championship at Valla Park
    in 1990, I brought over ALL the colors of Fast Flight materials
    that Brownell made.
    I made the first "Red, White and Blue" Fast Flight bow string
    for one your fellow "Aussies".
    I have worked with the Aussie Military on numerous occasions
    and have NEVER met one who wasn't one of the FINEST people
    on earth.
    Two of the military were SPECIAL who I shall never forget.
    They were Warrant Officer John Formely and Sgt Snow Livock.
    I attemped to locate them while at Valla Park but had no success.
    Have no idea if they are still alive or not but there never has been two
    better people. They were with the SAS. :evilbat:
    For your information, I refereed the VEGAS TOURNAMENT for 14
    years up until two years ago.
    I have MANY FRIENDS "down under".
    Perhaps some day we shall meet face to face. I will be looking forward to that day.
    Take care
    Rudy
    Rudy Folds

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    Rudy Did you have the first full fast flight system, I know that when Ron got sick He was working on the new style forward handle bow and we added a complete fast fight system to it. I used it while he was in the hospital to win the NFAA west Tournament at Cherry Valley. Just checking I know you had the #1 25 year bow and it might have had fast flight , but it started out as a cable and string bow. I believe this is the bow you gave to Ron's 3 sons at the banquet for Ron going into the Calif. Archery Hall of Fame.
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