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    Do pro archers earn much?

    Just curious but at a guess, what do pro archers like the Dave Cousins and Liam Grimwood etc earn from shooting?

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    Do you really think that this would be public knowledge?

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    Well, from the information I heard at the WOAF recently, World Cup prize money is in the ballpark of around $8-10k US for a 1st place win including manufacturer money (e.g. if you win with a HoytUSA bow at a HoytUSA sponsored event), the Hoyt World Open had a purse of $10k for the 1st place winner in each category this year if you shot a Hoyt, I think it was $8k USAA and $2k Hoyt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy! View Post
    Do you really think that this would be public knowledge?
    I don't see why it wouldn't be public knowledge.
    How much does tiger woods earn? 3 clicks of the mouse and I can find out.

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    Probably need to put it into context: What prize money is available for the different competitions and where they are,ie competition X is at place Y. Then when the shoots are on. Then you have an idea of where the "Pro" has to travel to to win the prise $$. So although there may be a lot of prise money on offer the Pro can not make all of the shoots therefore their earning capacity is diminished. Is it possible to be a full time Pro in the US and live comfortably?

    I'd like to know what prise money is available in the US, as there is nothing really available here in Oz.
    There are pros in just about every sport, but how much they earn is based on a seriously lot of hard work, travel, skill and management.
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    Their annual income will vary by so much, you can't really even make an estimate.

    Some pros have a salary from manufacturers or sponsors, some only get expenses for competitions. That's usually confidential information. There's prize money and contingency money to be made.

    The best money is undoubtedly in the US for pros on the 3D circuit. A Vegas win can produce in excess of $60K USD. But unless your travel and accommodation expenses are being taken care of, you pretty much have to be in the medals just to survive international target competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmotiger1 View Post
    I don't see why it wouldn't be public knowledge.
    How much does tiger woods earn? 3 clicks of the mouse and I can find out.
    Knock yourself out then. Pick a pro archer and give yourself an extra 2 clicks.
    I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmotiger1 View Post
    I don't see why it wouldn't be public knowledge.
    to be blunt, because it's none of our business?

    How much does tiger woods earn? 3 clicks of the mouse and I can find out.
    well, you can find out someone'e estimate of what Tiger earns, which may or may not be accurate. as per Stash's post above, a contracted payment would only be one of many components of total remuneration, and having expenses paid is as good as money in your pocket too - but that doesn't get regarded as earnings.

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    I was thinking winnings, which WOULD be public knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by scott p View Post
    to be blunt, because it's none of our business?



    well, you can find out someone'e estimate of what Tiger earns, which may or may not be accurate. as per Stash's post above, a contracted payment would only be one of many components of total remuneration, and having expenses paid is as good as money in your pocket too - but that doesn't get regarded as earnings.

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    I would say the average dirt scratcher in WA or West Qld are probably earning alot more.
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    It's probably possible to make ends meet but not a lot more:

    When asked:

    "Is it possible to make a living out of archery?"

    during his "Athlete of the Week" FITA interview currently on the front page of the FITA sight Braden Gallenthien replied

    "Yes, I’ve been doing this for the last few years, so that’s my only source of income. It is kind of stressful because you need to win to make money, but it’s the drive to continue to shoot and continue to succeed."

    So I suspect that there are no scrubbers going round making a living out of minor events, circuits, tours or leagues like in tennis, golf, cricket or baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy! View Post
    Knock yourself out then. Pick a pro archer and give yourself an extra 2 clicks.
    I'll wait.
    I reject your clicks and present to you the mighty tab key!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmotiger1 View Post
    I was thinking winnings, which WOULD be public knowledge
    Well, same thing applies then. Get clicking and come up with an answer.
    It will be a simple task.
    Just google and make a list of every single paying competition that your chosen archer went to in a twelve month period.
    Add up their winners cheques.
    You'll need to do several archers to get a rough idea of what the average professional archer wins.

    Then you can gain a really good appreciation of what "Public knowledge" is and how it becomes public knowledge.

    Just a few clicks should accomplish it.
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    Answering forum questions with "Just Google it" is rather poor Andy.
    75% of the time Google just sends you to forums anyway.

    I think top archers are doing better out of archery than many think. There are higher paying jobs out there for sure, but then how many of us do jobs JUST for the money?
    The fact that people are making livings out of competing is really great for the sport and will only improve.
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    From my limited understanding archery is pretty small compared to sports like golf and tennis where the bucks are big and even thousands of pros can make a living even if it is for some coaching and selling goods at grass roots level. It all looks glamorous but the travel would be a grind and expenses harrowing......and that is with huge TV dollars and exposure. Hey good luck to them as people are prepared to pay the price of buying endorsed goods or tickets etc. leisure is important.

    Archery is a much smaller arena...the prize money on offer does not seem that big compared to many other sports but I suspect that the top guys and ladies do OK otherwise with talents and attributes that they have and the discipline they could do other things well..

    Having an income outside of archery allows me to enjoy my archery. Turning something you love enough to spend a lot of time to get good at would [for me] take the gloss off it. I have friends that are great bowyers and they would not chuck their jobs in to become professional bowyers as they would lose their love and joy of archery and making great bows. In a small place like Australia there just are not enough people for clients and certainly not enough prepared to pay top dollar. For an Australian to become an archery pro at this point in time the travel is even worse than for most aspirants in other countries. In the Us with an economy hundreds of times largr than ours even if troubled professionalism in archery would be more achievable i suspect even if there are more competitors.

    I doubt that just the advertised prize money on offer divvied up between all the worthy professionals would really ring the bell by itself. Getting factory and dealer support for gearand equipment as well as support for travel and accommodation certainly would help but I suspect that product endorsements, sponsorship and perhaps appearance money might be the critical mass base for success. Undoubtedly these details would be commercial in confidence contracts. Like Marcus I suspect that these for some would be quite lucrative, certainly tempting enough for the other archers to keep at it. You would think $US100, 000 after expenses etc would be reasonable for a number with top archers doing better, otherwise getting a job with frills would be a better option considering the average wage in Australia would be around $AUS60,000.

    If I had the talent I think I would still stay a happy amateur as I happen to be lucky enough to love my current job...but good luck to any and all who try to make a living out of archery. Without the triers and the manufacturers and distributors supporting the elite upper level, archery would be the poorer [less colour/excitement/public recognition] and gear and equipment would be harder to get and more expensive I suspect.

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    Reo Wilde is, without putting too finer point on it, an above average archer. In an interview for the archery report in 2010 he said he worked for the US Postal Service with this supplemented by archery winnings. The sponsors may provide some financial assistance but I suspect most of it is in-kind (bow, string, release, sight etc).

    So to the question asked at the beginning of the thread ... the answer is (b); no.

    http://archeryreport.com/2010/02/reo...rchery-report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbowinfected View Post
    ... Having an income outside of archery allows me to enjoy my archery. Turning something you love enough to spend a lot of time to get good at would [for me] take the gloss off it. ...
    I read a post on another forum somewhere from someone who attended a Liam Grimwood seminar reporting that Liam had said as much at the seminar. In effect, he is a full time archer through coaching, seminars, sponsorship and DVD sales but his day has become something of a grind of gym work and practice taking a bit of the fun out of it as a hobby or pastime - but as a job it remained something he preferred to do. The same reporter noted that while he did not drive a beamer he drove a new car and had just bought a house with an 18m range to be built in it to expand his coaching business.

    There is a report - unsubstantiated - on what archers can earn here

    If that is indicative of earnings I don't think I'd be seeking to give up my day job even if I was good enough to do it for a living.

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    Looking at his personal website and Cv with around 10 top three places or more each year and ten or so sponsors not too shabby for someone full time employed that allows him to practice 2-3 hours per day, travel to and attend so many tournaments. If each sponsor only gave him a couple of grand or so and he won only on average a couple of grand per tournament without getting any endorsement money I bet his expenses are picked up a lot of the time, he has a full time income from a job and his archery as a part time professional earns him another $50,000.

    I wonder if UPS who he works for distributes goods from his sponsors?

    Good luck to him. Certainly seems to have got a consistent long tern classact going.
    Great to see he enjoys it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Answering forum questions with "Just Google it" is rather poor Andy.

    Encouraging people to be self sufficient in any regard is never poor.
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