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    Another product with interesting claims..

    I've just seen the Ethics archery Spin Point on archery 360's list of new things from the ATA show.

    They have an insert for arrows which has a point that can spin. A regular target arrow point, mind you.
    Here's the spiel:

    When an arrow spins it also has to spin the weight of the arrow point; the mass of the arrow point slows down the rotation of the arrow. The Ethics Archery Spin Points are arrow points that spin independently of the arrow, which allows the arrow to spin faster. A faster spin rate means a more stable arrow for increased accuracy and efficient arrow flight.


    Now read about their spinning broadhead mount:

    With the Spinning Insert, the broadhead does not spin at the same rate as the arrow shaft. This dramatically lessens the broadhead’s steering and wind plane. The Spinning Insert allows fixed-blade broadheads to fly like mechanicals or field points (with a properly tuned bow).

    http://ethicsarchery.com/about

    Please discuss this one.
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    The target version seems fairly pointless. The broad head version sounds potentially counterproductive since my understanding is that traditionally you align the blades of your broad heads with your vanes to be the same on each arrow and a spinning head prevents that. I'm not a hunter though so my views on broadhead arrow tuning are supremely suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy! View Post

    Please discuss this one.
    Do we really need to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stash View Post
    Do we really need to?
    In a world incredibly full of fake news, fake videos and advertising based on physics, we absolutely have to.

    People need to feel confident about their ability to ascertain if their suspicions are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormegil View Post
    The broad head version sounds potentially counterproductive since my understanding is that traditionally you align the blades of your broad heads with your vanes to be the same on each arrow and a spinning head prevents that. I'm not a hunter though so my views on broadhead arrow tuning are supremely suspect.
    Not so much that, but can you think of any reason that you wouldn't want your broadhead to spin slower?
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    I was looking for an image for "A fool and his money...."

    But this one sums it up even better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy! View Post
    Not so much that, but can you think of any reason that you wouldn't want your broadhead to spin slower?
    Again, I know nothing about how broad heads interact with future venison but I could imagine that the less it's spinning on impact, the less tearing damage it will do, meaning that the animal will bleed less and run further. Maybe?

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    I'd like to see some high speed video of the spin inserts doing what they claim they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormegil View Post
    Again, I know nothing about how broad heads interact with future venison but I could imagine that the less it's spinning on impact, the less tearing damage it will do, meaning that the animal will bleed less and run further. Maybe?
    There's a lot of conjecture on wound channel stuff. I have my own opinions about that and how much arrows actually spin when encountering resistance.

    However, when we spin arrows so that their variations are averaged out along their direction of flight, would it make any sense at all to let a bit of flat steering bit free to do what it wants, independent of the rest of the arrow?
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    With the Spinning Insert, the broadhead does not spin at the same rate as the arrow shaft. This dramatically lessens the broadhead’s steering and wind plane. The Spinning Insert allows fixed-blade broadheads to fly like mechanicals or field points (with a properly tuned bow).

    To me a less spinning broadhead could possibly be worse. Taken to extreme if you had a 2 blade head that didn't spin at all then you have a set of wings ready to go wherever they wish. However I can see some positives once the broadhead got there as far as rolling around bone etc. Now if they put a little motor in there that made the broadhead spin faster........

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    But with a properly tuned bow, fixed blade broadheads DO fly like mechanicals or field points.

    I'm with Brenton on this one.

    Though it would be fun to come across somebody using these things in conjunction with Turbo Nocks.

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